Queer Voices Podcast

Élie Chevillet

#12 María Moctezuma | Healing Music, Indigenous Identity, Lesbian Voice

06.10.2025 53 min Élie Chevillet

Zusammenfassung & Show Notes

Today, I’m super excited to have María Moctezuma on the show.
María is a singer-songwriter and an activist from Mexico. She blends ancestral sounds with powerful political messages. Today, she’s based in Germany.
Her music is deeply rooted in Maya culture and explores themes of identity, decolonization, and resistance. María sings over layered vocal loops and traditional instruments, creating soundscapes that are both ancient and radically present.
She calls her music Sonido Raizoso (sound of the roots) and through it, she brings feminist, queer, and Indigenous stories to the stage. Her performances are pretty mind-blowing.
María is not just making music — she’s reclaiming space.

Content note: This episode includes mentions of bullying and scarification.


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Transkript

Hi, ich bin Élie Chevillet, herzlich willkommen bei Queer Voices, der Podcast der queeren Menschen in Augsburg und der Welt eine Stimme gibt. Today, I'm super excited to have María Moctezuma on the show. María is a singer-songwriter and an activist from Mexico. She blends ancestral sounds with powerful political messages. Today, she's based in Germany. Her music is deeply rooted in Maya culture and explores themes of identity, decolonization and resistance. María sings over layered vocal loops and traditional instruments, creating soundscapes that are both ancient and radically present. She calls her music Sonido Raizoso, Sound of the Roots, and through it she brings feminist, queer and indigenous stories to the stage. Her performances are pretty mind-blowing. María is not just making music, she's reclaiming space. Hi María.
SPEAKER_2
00:02:17
Hi Élie.
SPEAKER_1
00:02:18
Thanks a lot for being here today. I'm so happy to have you on the show.
SPEAKER_2
00:02:23
Thank you very much. I'm also very happy to be here in your podcast. I feel privileged.
SPEAKER_1
00:02:31
Want to quickly share who you are, your pronouns, and how you identify?
SPEAKER_2
00:02:38
My name is María Moctezuma. I'm a lesbian.
SPEAKER_1
00:02:45
You grew up in Villa Hermosa, the capital city of Tabasco in southeastern Mexico. What was that like for you?
SPEAKER_2
00:02:56
Yeah, it was interesting. It's a part of Mexico with very warm weather. It's also a part of Mexico where it's a lot of oil. And then it's the industry of oil. It's a savage industry. And the consequence is that the city have a view from perspective, like only business area. And that is interesting because the people is like very work people, but it's also a little bit problematic when the city is with this visualization only for made money, you know, because the consequence for the cities is that the state don't have the money because the money is in the north or in the capital, for example. And yeah, have interesting forms to think in my state.
SPEAKER_1
00:04:09
Did you feel that already as a child that it was?
SPEAKER_2
00:04:12
No, no, no. No? No, right now.
SPEAKER_1
00:04:15
How was that as a child? Did you have brothers and sisters?
SPEAKER_2
00:04:18
Yeah, I have a brother and I have a cousin. She's like my sister. We grew up together and yeah.
SPEAKER_1
00:04:29
How was life as a kid in Tabasco?
SPEAKER_2
00:04:33
Always because for the same reason that I explained to you, it's also a bit dangerous city. And then I think the mind of my parents was taking a lot of care of me, also of my brother. And I don't remember so much moments of when I was very child. I remember to play football in the street where I grew up. I played a lot of games of my brother and my sister. She loved, at that moment, the Barbies. And she always wanted to give me her Barbies, but I didn't like it. I prefer the cars of my brother or the football, something like that.
SPEAKER_1
00:05:27
And when you say that it was a dangerous city, does it mean that your parents didn't want you to go out alone?
SPEAKER_2
00:05:35
Yeah, no. I never was alone until university. I was always with my father. He always bring me to the school. Also when I finished the time of the school every day, he went for me.
SPEAKER_1
00:05:55
What did you study at university?
SPEAKER_2
00:05:57
Communication.
SPEAKER_1
00:06:00
María, what does being queer mean to you?
SPEAKER_2
00:06:05
I just think that it's the consequence of the freedom. Because right now, it's like in the long, long time ago, when the institution of the hereditary normativity was not in the system, it was like the queer freedom, no? About the sexuality.
SPEAKER_1
00:06:32
When did you first realize you were queer?
SPEAKER_2
00:06:37
I was 10 years old, yeah, when I, for first time, or is what I remember earlier in my life, in my school, but not in my same classroom in another, a bit older than me, one step more than mine. I always was attentive to two girls, especially. It was the first moment I was before went to the school, I was super motivated to go. To see them? To see them, yeah. Yeah, it was funny because I mean, I never told with them that I had my friends in my classroom, but these two girls, especially, I don't know what happened at that moment.
SPEAKER_1
00:07:31
And how did you feel about it when you realized, oh, I like them?
SPEAKER_2
00:07:36
I didn't realize in that moment. I think in that moment of my life, I start to ask, what is it? No, or I don't know. But I remember one time I asked to my sister, and she, her answer was like, with a bit afraid and something like, no, this is super bad, no? And for first time, I think I heard the word lesbian because I asked something, and her answer was this word with some bad feeling. And I feel like, oh, so it's bad what I'm thinking. And then I think the next moment was in the 15 years, in the adolescence when I started to recognize, like, yes, I'm lesbian or bisexual or I don't know, but I'm sure that I'm feeling this.
SPEAKER_1
00:08:43
Did you talk with your friends or your parents about it?
SPEAKER_2
00:08:48
Yes, when I was 15, I started to recognize the situation and I talked with two of my nearest friends. But at that moment, I was in a Catholic school with some of the teachers was sisters and the students, we were only women. And then I talked to my friends, but the consequence was that a few days after I talk, I start to feel something weird with the other students. In some moment, nobody wanted to talk to me. Nobody, my friend. And I was like, what's happening? No, it was like for this conversation with my friends. Yeah, and for the same of the Catholic ideology that I grew up in, my family is super Catholic and I was like super scary, you know? Like if before I have from my sister, this answer that is something bad, something bad, exactly. And now it's happening in my school. And I remember I can't sleep. No, I can't sleep. And I prayed in the night. It was super scary.
SPEAKER_1
00:10:18
And what happened after that?
SPEAKER_2
00:10:21
Yeah, a teacher, something like coordination of something. One time, I remember she told me that I would go out a moment from the classroom. Let's go to do blah, blah. And okay, I went because I didn't was this kind of person. You know, that some very social people, the teacher select some students to do always some activities for them. No, I was not this person. No, I was super quiet, et cetera. But that was a surprise for me, but I was like happy to this contemplation of the teacher, but it was weird. And then I did what she told me immediately, and they back immediately. And she was, I saw her from out of the classroom, and she was like, blah, blah, blah. It's very angry talking with the students, with the girls. And she didn't permit at that moment that I came in the classroom. And yeah, then only two girls of my friends came to me and say, I'm sorry, blah, blah. But then the situation was not really different, you know, because everybody, we are adolescent. And when we are adolescent, we don't feel afraid to anything. So we sometimes do hard stuff with our friends, even when we are friends, you know? Yeah, but it was something very nice to learn for me.
SPEAKER_1
00:12:07
What was nice in this experience?
SPEAKER_2
00:12:09
Yeah, right now, like 20, 30 years after, it's something nice, because I think that the hardest experience are the best, you know, the best teachers of lives.
SPEAKER_1
00:12:24
What did it teach you?
SPEAKER_2
00:12:27
To don't feel afraid about some bullying, you know, because that was something like that.
SPEAKER_1
00:12:36
Yeah.
SPEAKER_2
00:12:37
Yeah.
SPEAKER_1
00:12:38
It is bullying, of course.
SPEAKER_2
00:12:39
Yeah.
SPEAKER_1
00:12:40
Yeah.
SPEAKER_2
00:12:41
But I think this kind of experience make the people st-starker, no?
SPEAKER_1
00:12:47
Stronger.
SPEAKER_2
00:12:47
Stronger.
SPEAKER_1
00:12:49
And you said that you grew up in a very Catholic family. What did that mean for you?
SPEAKER_2
00:12:59
With all this ideology to be distorted or be someone through the studies. And then marriage, and then have kids, and then, yeah, the traditional, that woman is in the house, no? And the man is working and going to the church, no?
SPEAKER_1
00:13:29
Did your family accept that you didn't follow this path?
SPEAKER_2
00:13:34
No, of course not. No, no, no. No, well, for my, I think, especially for my mother, was especially complicated. My father, he died already. But my mother, she's always, I understand her, because she's afraid that I will go to the...
SPEAKER_1
00:13:58
To hell?
SPEAKER_2
00:13:58
To hell, yeah. This is her problem. And of course, I think if I really thinking that my doctor going to hell, of course I'm afraid, no? I understand her.
SPEAKER_1
00:14:13
María, did you grow up with Queer Role Models?
SPEAKER_2
00:14:17
I have someone very interesting that was not my idol, but she was a trans person because where I grew up is a part of Mexico with oil and danger and blah, blah. And very close of my house was a porn cinema. And obviously, there's some prostitution around. And I remember a lot Lupe, she was a very, very interesting person. He was like, I don't know if trans or, but he was obviously a man who sometimes put dresses of women and make up and stuff. And I always wanted to see her, no. Yeah. But he or she also received a lot of bad chants, no. I don't know how he or how she felt because I was very child. I don't know how old, but yeah, I was child.
SPEAKER_1
00:15:29
Did you ever talk to this person?
SPEAKER_2
00:15:31
No, never. I always wanted, but I was always with my parents and it was difficult, no.
SPEAKER_1
00:15:38
María, what would you like to say to your younger self?
SPEAKER_2
00:15:44
That everything is fine, no.
SPEAKER_1
00:15:49
Yeah. How important is queerness in your everyday environment?
SPEAKER_2
00:15:55
It's very important because if I'm not accepted this part of my life and in my community and stuff, yeah, I think it's complicated because it's something what I always say because also like artists, I think it's very important to the position of the identity. Because we have like you have this podcast, another person going to hear the podcast, and you have a lot of responsibility. It's what I also think in the music because it was very difficult for me, for example, to accept completely that I want to show this part of my life. At the beginning, I thought it's not necessary. And also, for example, for my job, the music, I thought, no, because less people going to hear my music. But at the end, little by little, I mean, I have like 15 years in the music with this project that I have. And little by little, I think more and more that it's very important, because we are the possibility for another person, or another generation, younger generation, or maybe older generation. No, many people start to have the courage in the... I have some friends that they have 60 years old, no, and say to me, how can I find a woman? No, they can't. And yeah, we are, maybe in some episode of your podcast today, have something necessarily off and something necessarily on. So it's very important.
SPEAKER_1
00:18:04
What made you change your mind?
SPEAKER_2
00:18:06
Many experience, my friend. I think all that bullying I had in the school was a part like, ah, okay, this is support that shit of bullying. This is only this. I don't care. I can, I don't know. But of course this, I don't care that I'm saying now, I had to do many bad experience. For example, once of my main channels, we have, for fortune, my friend, I have the music in my life because it was a very strong tool for me, but I had another ways. My first way, when you know, when you feel frustration was the coating. So I did, if you see my body, I used all this, the Mirate Wham, I show you.
SPEAKER_1
00:19:03
Okay. I think it's called scarification.
SPEAKER_2
00:19:07
Scarification. I have, it was the favorite part because it was easier for my right hand. But I have scarification in my stomach, in this leg here. And in some moment I say it's more and more, eh? Because then I needed to receive, how do you say it? Stitch, because it was more open or more grave, eh? More and more. And also I had some difficulties for the rehab, you know? Many things that I don't know, I think was consequence of the first, eh?
SPEAKER_1
00:19:50
This first bullying experience?
SPEAKER_2
00:19:52
Yeah, but also coming from your education, no? From the education of my parents, also very conservative. They didn't know how to do it. But yes, I think right now, in retrospective, I have a lot of music about it, but not literally. I'm telling about it because it's my most important, no? Of course, my wife, no? Of course, also, yeah.
SPEAKER_1
00:20:24
Would you say that you started scarification after this very hard experience at school?
SPEAKER_2
00:20:31
Yes. Immediately after it.
SPEAKER_1
00:20:36
María, does the word community mean something to you?
SPEAKER_2
00:20:40
Of course. The community, I think, it's the family. Especially, I think, in our community, LGBTQ+, I think that is the reason why we celebrate with that word, or we have very present this word, because many people from the community don't have the support from family. And this movement from Canada, with the dance, with the houses, Vogue, this movement, they was like, family, no? Yeah, I think, yeah.
SPEAKER_1
00:21:22
What do you love doing?
SPEAKER_2
00:21:25
I love to have time with my wife, and I love to do music. One of my most happy moments in my life is when I'm doing a concert. Yeah. But also the process of recording music, I enjoy a lot.
SPEAKER_1
00:21:47
Have you recorded many albums already?
SPEAKER_2
00:21:51
Four albums, and I have a new single from my next album.
SPEAKER_1
00:21:58
What inspires you?
SPEAKER_2
00:22:01
Many things, but I'm always interested in cultural aspects. In Mexico, for example, I'm inspired a lot about the indigenous. I love to go to the villages to hear how they speak Maya, or how they cook. But here in Europe, I think something is changing because I don't have these people. But I feel very nice when I have time with the people in the Sprachcafé. Yeah, practicing Deutsch.
SPEAKER_1
00:22:41
Nice. Your music mixes traditional instruments with modern sounds, and you've even created your own genre, Sonido Raizoso, or Sounds of the Roots. What does that mean to you? And how did this sound come to life?
SPEAKER_2
00:23:01
I think the artists, we have a message from another dimension. Like the dimension where are coming the idea that you do your podcast, no? Something like that. Because this word Raizoso is not really a word. It's some form to joke and talk, transforming words, you know?
SPEAKER_1
00:23:30
So, why did you choose to call your music like that?
SPEAKER_2
00:23:34
Mm, I wanted to do a band with this name. But then, the way to start to really organize me with musicians or meeting more musicians took time. And then, I said what I have to do with this concept, not a band. But I thought that it's interesting, the word for call the mix of rhythms, the mix of cultural instruments.
SPEAKER_1
00:24:08
Uh-huh. Have you ever played in a band? Or were you always? Ah, okay. Back then in Mexico?
SPEAKER_2
00:24:16
In Mexico. When I start in the music, I played in a band. Actually, in the school, I played always in the Coro. Always my job was in the music. That's why I say that it's like my angel, the music, and my main tool. But also, it's some way very easy to do a chaotic life, no? For the possibility.
SPEAKER_1
00:24:43
You mean when you're an artist, that life has less structure?
SPEAKER_2
00:24:47
Yes.
SPEAKER_1
00:24:49
Before you talked about the Maya culture, the Maya are one of the most important indigenous cultures of Mexico and Central America. Over 6 million Maya people live across the region, speaking dozens of Maya languages, keeping traditions alive, and resisting the lasting impact of colonization. María, you're a Maya yourself? As a Maya woman and artist, how do you carry that heritage with you in a world still shaped by colonial structures?
SPEAKER_2
00:25:29
My genetic is from Aztec. My last name Moctezuma is from the king. When the invasors went to Mexico, Hernán Cortés, they find each other. And it was the last kingdom or the last leader from our culture, our original culture. But where I was born is from Olmecas. And when in Yucatan, where I made all my last part of my life before Germany, is Maya. And it's the area where I start to do my own music. That's why I have a lot of love to the Mayan culture. In Mexico, when you have a last name from indigenous, it's a little bit hard, because the colonization made, that originary everything is an element too shy, no? Little by little, we are recovering more and more proud to our dance, ancestral dance or ancestral clothes or many symbols. But during, imagine this happened more than 500 years ago. And we are recovering our proud little by little in this last década or something. But to grow up with Moctezuma as last name from my family, they are not super proud about the last name. So I see that always. But then when I change to the state, from Villahermosa to Yucatan, to Merida, Yucatan, this state is super cultural and super taking care of the traditional dance, traditional Mayan language, the clothes, many people in the street. For example, when it's a wedding or something special, the most elegant clothes that the people in Yucatan select is the traditional one. So, I find that very nice and that make me something in my mind about the proud, because it's super cool how I saw in Yucatan, how the people feel very proud to the clothes or to the Pokta Pok we have in the Mayan culture, our own sport.
SPEAKER_1
00:28:21
Okay, what is that?
SPEAKER_2
00:28:22
Pokta Pok is the name. It's a Mayan, originally, and it's a bowl of como latex, many, many capas of ule.
SPEAKER_1
00:28:36
Many layers of latex?
SPEAKER_2
00:28:37
Yeah, exactly. It's a bowl and like 15 kilos, heavy. And people move the bowl with the hips.
SPEAKER_1
00:28:48
Okay.
SPEAKER_2
00:28:49
And then this bowl has to close a hole, like two meters.
SPEAKER_1
00:28:56
Okay.
SPEAKER_2
00:28:57
Yeah, and then I saw all that, and my spirit was super happy about my last name. But of course, that was little by little by little by little. And also in Yucatán, they have a lot of authors from Yucateca and some traditional Jarrana Yucateca is called the music. And they are super proud of the musicians. And yeah. And then I start to have more work with my family line of this last name. And also with my searching, my own searching to the way of the music, experimenting the instrument, the pre-Hispanic instrument. I start to experiment them in Yucatán. They are very, very important part of my music.
SPEAKER_1
00:29:56
And you said that your parents were not so happy with the name Moctezuma. Was there shame there?
SPEAKER_2
00:30:05
Well, my father don't have any problem with it, because this is the last name of my mother. In Mexico, you have two last names. The father and the second is the mother.
SPEAKER_1
00:30:19
So you have two last names? Yes.
SPEAKER_2
00:30:21
And my first is from France, but it was like a bit safe to me from the society that I have this last name, because I have two super traditional names and super catholic names. María and Guadalupe. Guadalupe is the virgin, Mexican one, Mexican virgin, and María the international. And then for Ferdinand, I have... Well, now I feel proud of everything, because I have the context, but before I didn't. It was also another interesting point to have a hard experience, no? But my mother and her family, yeah, they say, ah, it's because from... Last name from Indios, no?
SPEAKER_1
00:31:15
What does it mean?
SPEAKER_2
00:31:17
It's a bad word to say, indigenous.
SPEAKER_1
00:31:19
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_2
00:31:21
My own family, not from my father. My father have any problem with the last name of my mother, but they say that.
SPEAKER_1
00:31:31
So your mother had shame about her own name.
SPEAKER_2
00:31:33
Yeah, exactly. But then to be honest, my friend, when I saw the artistic interpretations of Moctezuma, when I was child and I saw it, I was like excited because it's fantastic, no? I find it fantastic, but it's crazy how your context influence yourself, your mind, because, but yeah, little by little, I start to do music with traditional aspects. And I say it's much better. My last name from my mother, my second, and the International Virgin, more easier to recognize.
SPEAKER_1
00:32:19
Do you feel that being queer or a lesbian influences your art?
SPEAKER_2
00:32:25
Yes, more and more, because at the beginning was very complicated. From my first CD, I did a song, but in the queer way, but very soft, poetic way, almost, almost you don't know if you did it, okay. But then in the second CD, I made a song, a romantic song for my ex. And then, yeah, this CD, I have a lot of music for my wife. And I love to talk about it. Because in the music, in Spanish, I don't know how it works in French or English, but in Spanish, many women, like they are obviously singing to another woman, but like if they are man, no? They sing like man, no? And I find that it's fantastic to do. I'm a woman and I'm singing to a woman. What a beautiful, no? Situation.
SPEAKER_1
00:33:29
To do it openly, right?
SPEAKER_2
00:33:31
Claro, and accept and create music or art for this reality, no? Because it's a very nice reality and important one.
SPEAKER_1
00:33:43
It's a great reality.
SPEAKER_2
00:33:44
It's a great reality, exactly.
SPEAKER_1
00:33:47
I love it. A lot of your work explores decolonial and feminist themes. Have you ever faced pushback in Mexico or elsewhere because of your queerness or the political side of your art?
SPEAKER_2
00:34:05
Not directly, because Mexico is a free country. In the real life, you can do whatever you want. I mean, it's obviously complicated. First, for women, in the music, it's always something. It's a bit another point for this possibility, but…
SPEAKER_1
00:34:31
You mean sexism.
SPEAKER_2
00:34:33
Uh-huh, exactly.
SPEAKER_1
00:34:34
Patriarchal structures.
SPEAKER_2
00:34:36
Yes. But also because Mexico wants to have the friendly face always, they are doing more and more inclusion perspectives. But then are some with a lot of structure, and the consequence is the cycles are small for these possibilities, specifically with feminist perspective. I didn't feel directly, never, something.
SPEAKER_1
00:35:15
Like pushback?
SPEAKER_2
00:35:16
No. I think sometimes, because I'm lesbian, or because I'm woman, but I cannot say for sure.
SPEAKER_1
00:35:28
Yeah, it's not direct. Was it hard to find your place as a woman in the music industry?
SPEAKER_2
00:35:36
Of course, especially when I was starting, I had not a lot of experience. And I told you first, I wanted to have a band, because first of, I start to promote my own music. I played covers and always in a band with some name, band, blah, blah. But when I start to compose my music and to take courses and play with audience, I also had the idea, because in the art is always like, no, I'm not, like Modestia, no? It's always that. In the music, when the people wants to sing and they compose, it's very complicated to have your own name, like the band. And then I find that maybe Sonido Raizoso, but then the musicians came to me, and then we cannot organize the music, because the music is complicated. Now, not like before, but before was more complicated to find women, another that not only sing, but play drums or bass or... And always I worked with men, and start very complicated to trying to give the direction, because it was not an orchestra, formal, and just like, let's do this music, no? But the music is like that. And that was complicated. And then when I decide to put my name, and then doesn't matter if I play with this musician or with another, yeah, it was complicated but interesting, because I had to learn how to talk with them.
SPEAKER_1
00:37:35
A friend of mine who's a musician, she says that being in a band is like being in a very complicated relationship.
SPEAKER_2
00:37:43
Ah, yeah, poliamoroso. Yes, exactly, because you have to take care about everything, not only with job constantly and money, but also how you say the details, because the artists, we are more sensitive, you know, or my therapist says that they are, artists are different to other person, I don't know.
SPEAKER_1
00:38:15
Maria, your wife works at a German university doing research on climate resilience. How does being in a cross-cultural relationship shape your everyday life?
SPEAKER_2
00:38:31
Yeah, it's interesting, because we are super different. When I met her, if she doesn't speak Spanish, in English, and with our difference, it should be impossible to meet her.
SPEAKER_1
00:38:48
Because she speaks Spanish, right?
SPEAKER_2
00:38:49
She speaks Spanish. And also she likes music, and she plays some instruments. So at the beginning, that was our first connection. Our only connection, and then we develop more and more. And also she's, like you said, an academic person and a musician. Everything is complicated. But when I met her in Mexico, so she have at that moment Mexico vibrations. But then when she back to Germany, when she start the master, and she was like, another person, like I met first the person traveling, and then I met the academic person. And I was afraid, to be honest, because she was super serious, super concentrated in the master. But this also very interesting for me, because in Mexico, we usually have relations that 24-7 together. Okay. Almost it's like work in Mexico. Always my relations was like that. And then when I start to eat medley, and we needed to have months and months separated, it was terrible for me. I was very jealous, for example. And then, yeah, I'm not anymore. But also, you know, how German person are, like very rationally. And I remember when we was separated, and I cried a lot. And she said, why are you crying so much? We still together, no? Only we cannot touch us, no? But we are together, no? And for me, it was very difficult to believe that this relation can continue with distance, no? And now it's more and more crazy for me, right now that I'm living in Germany, no? Because as I told you, I'm not anymore in twenties, no? And then I need to learn the language, because Germany is a very particular country, no? That you need to speak German, or like Mexican, I need to learn some level of German. But in general, the impact is very interesting, because another good learned I have with the cultural situation of my wife is that we are always in good mood to talk. If we are not in the same channel, okay, let's go to talk. If this disappoint, it's problematic.
SPEAKER_1
00:41:53
You mean you have a good communication.
SPEAKER_2
00:41:55
And I think I learned it's something cultural, I think, because in Mexico, we are more expressive with our emotions. We shout and cry and we love it. And here is more like, let's go to talk.
SPEAKER_1
00:42:16
And be quiet.
SPEAKER_2
00:42:17
And be go, ah, relax, no? And yeah, but that was something interesting of our relation.
SPEAKER_1
00:42:25
And you spoke about jealousy. Was it for you hard work to learn to cope this feeling?
SPEAKER_2
00:42:33
I don't know. Also, because like I described the Mexican relations, we learned that everybody have two families, for example. The women are always in the house, but the men have two families or three, but one is the main, no?
SPEAKER_1
00:42:53
So you mean they live with their wife at home and have other women there?
SPEAKER_2
00:42:57
Or another kids, no? But then we grow up with that worry, always it's possible to happen with our partners. And I don't want that to happen. I mean, because I have another relation, an open relation, and I did this activity. Actually, that's why I met my wife. I have another person and we start at first, three persons and then, yeah.
SPEAKER_1
00:43:27
So you meant you were in a relationship, then you met your wife, and then you had both relationships.
SPEAKER_2
00:43:35
And then with the distance, obviously, I thought that I grew up with this ideology, and I thought, no, we're gonna cut, we're gonna finish in some point, but we always talk. And yeah, little by little, she talked to me that, come on, my two brothers have the same situation with the, now they are marriage also. And she say, no, they studied in another countries and blah, blah, and the relation continue. Here is normal, no? But that, for me, was like two years to feel relaxed. The situation was very complicated to let it go. Go, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_1
00:44:21
Yeah. María, what's it like for you to live in Germany as a queer person?
SPEAKER_2
00:44:28
Until now, very, very good. I feel safe first. I know that I don't have to have some present in my head that someone gonna rape me or disappear me or take my stuff, no? Because it's a plus when people see you with another girl in Mexico. You transform in more fragile, no?
SPEAKER_1
00:44:54
You can be a target.
SPEAKER_2
00:44:55
Yeah. And here, no? So it's a big impact in my life in Deutschland. I'm also took the course living in Deutschland, no? And then I saw a lot of stuff about the history of the country. And I don't know already so much about politics, but I see that it's some right movement that is coming very powerful, but international. I don't know what is really happening in Deutschland. I hear something also in the course comparing with the history and thinking about what's happening in the United States right now, in Argentina, where are these species of radical right?
SPEAKER_1
00:45:49
Yeah, right wing movements.
SPEAKER_2
00:45:51
And I'm always afraid, but that is not because it's Germany, it's because in the whole world, because I think here, there's a big movement with a nice activism in the political way, in the feminist way. But also, I think if the movement is international, it's always that the minorities, we are in more fragility. By the moment, I feel great here, but it's always that something can happen.
SPEAKER_1
00:46:30
How did you feel in Mexico as a queer person?
SPEAKER_2
00:46:34
As I told you, Mexico is like a free country, but it's too much free, maybe, because I can be a free lesbian, but abuser can be a free abuser, with some trick is more and more laws, with feminist perspective. We have in the Constitution, in the Leyes, more and more, but it's because the problem is bigger and bigger. I think it's always you have to be attentive to someone, is not watching at you so much in the street. It's always you have to be attentive of the time in the street. If you are one woman or two women alone in the street in the night without light, impossible to think.
SPEAKER_1
00:47:23
Okay.
SPEAKER_2
00:47:24
And it's a plus because this kind of crimes, for example, in the LGBT community and the police need to say that is some passion situation, then are situations without justify. But it's tricky Mexico, the situation.
SPEAKER_1
00:47:45
Is there anything you wish for queer people in Germany or in Mexico?
SPEAKER_2
00:47:51
Of course, I wish that the freedom and it's not some imposition from system, because it's absurd when the system need to put it in the system, it's because it's something absurd. That is not natural. That should be my big wish, because, for example, in Mexico, we have an indigenous group we call mouches, and they live like women, but they are super respect person in the indigenous society. And in the history says that before the colonization, have many more of this kind of groups, but the institution of the Catholicism destroy this indigenous institutions. And yeah, of course, was super chaotic. This is my wish, but super utopic. I mean, it's maybe Role, but I don't know, like the feminist movement, how long time happened to start?
SPEAKER_1
00:48:58
You mean, it's been a long time that it exists?
SPEAKER_2
00:49:00
That it exists, exactly. And in the 90s, for example, in Mexico started the vote for women. It's some advances, but super slow. I wish with the reality we have right now, that this kind of political... Because unfortunately, everything comes from the political decisions. That the political movement, the people decide is not this extreme right.
SPEAKER_1
00:49:35
María, is there anything else you'd like to share in this podcast?
SPEAKER_2
00:49:40
Yeah, well, I think it's very important when you feel that have something that fascinates you or some passion, you have to do it. I think when we have some problem or something hard to digest mentally or emotionally, and when our families or our principal nucleus, it's not working for us, it's the only. What we love to do more than I'm in there, of course, our community is important, but we have to be strong for us, and then we can help another person. But I think the form to feel us happy and strong is doing our way.
SPEAKER_1
00:50:31
What music is for you?
SPEAKER_2
00:50:34
Is it my angel, my way?
SPEAKER_1
00:50:39
María, before we wrap up, how about a quickie? Don't worry, it's not about sex, it's just a rapid fire round of questions.
SPEAKER_2
00:50:50
Ah, okay. Yeah? Okay, yeah, if I understand immediately, hopefully.
SPEAKER_1
00:50:56
If you don't, it's okay. Let's go. The quality you appreciate most in someone else.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:04
The intelligence.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:06
Your greatest quality.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:09
Play guitar.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:12
What makes you happy?
SPEAKER_2
00:51:14
The love.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:16
Something that made you proud lately.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:19
That I'm learning Deutsch.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:22
A song you love at the moment.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:25
Bisexuel de Rebecca Lane, Jaudrey Funk.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:29
Someone you find hot.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:32
Toquicha.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:33
A content you'd recommend.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:36
Your podcast.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:38
Thank you. One big wish you have.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:42
Better conditions of music for a job.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:46
And your mood right now?
SPEAKER_2
00:51:48
Like after Psychotherapist.
SPEAKER_1
00:51:53
Thank you so much, María, for your time and for helping make Queer Voices louder.
SPEAKER_2
00:51:59
Thank you, Élie. It's a very big pleasure for me and also a very interesting opportunity, a very nice opportunity. Thank you for doing this job about interests in the life of persons.
SPEAKER_1
00:52:14
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_2
00:52:15
Our community is super valuable, this content, no? Because you are doing contention to the people.
SPEAKER_1
00:52:25
Thank you, María. Ciao.

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